If you read the description of a half-orc, it says its a result of an orc raid on a human village. A half-ogre is part ogre part orc. A half elf is part elf part human. I was thinking of designing a dual race system, where there are a certain number of primary races, and then you choose two of them to be your parents.
Idea for races:
Human
Elf
Orc
Dwarf
Guant
Nekojin
Ogre
Kang
gnome
Perhaps 1-2 more
(maybe d-elf, but elf/delf seem too similar).
Each of the above races would have certain starting stats/max stats, and when you pick your two parents, you get the average of their stats. The abilities would go according to say your mother, and i guess the exp chart would follow the mother line (to coincide with the abilities).
This would greatly increase the variety in the game without having to come up with 30+new races. If you start with 10 base races, you could have almost 100 possibilities.
This is a very creative and original idea that I like.
Unfortunately the amount of coding that would have to be done to achieve this is fairly big, at least in my opinion.
REALLY good idea though.
-DR
Quote from: Rhinehold on Sep 28, 2009, 01:56 AM
This is a very creative and original idea that I like.
Unfortunately the amount of coding that would have to be done to achieve this is fairly big, at least in my opinion.
REALLY good idea though.
-DR
I cant imagine something like this would be hard to code. Once we make up the races, putting them together should be elementary. Maybe Im wrong, could we get some comment from dc/vitoc?
If momma was a gnome and daddy was an ogre... there are going to be some seriously messed up family history that would impart a large amount of mental scaring on your new character.
Quote from: Darmius on Sep 29, 2009, 05:19 AM
If momma was a gnome and daddy was an ogre... there are going to be some seriously messed up family history that would impart a large amount of mental scaring on your new character.
i was thinking of say restricting some of the combinations. Like, ogre cant have kids with halfling or gnome, hehe, on the other hand, there is always rape.
I say if you want to make strange combos then so be it.... your character might get screwed up in the process :P
I like this idea. It would allow you to combine traits from 2 races that you want for a certain class or pick both the same and take advantage of a single bonus.
I think it would add a LOT more to the game that wasn't there before. It might even make certain classes more playable than before (thief) depending on what sorts of bonuses there are.
You could make sure that all the bonuses are numerically even numbers, then just halve them, or odd, and third them for combining races.
-DR
So it seems like there is a fair bit of support for my idea, so Ill try to start with basic guidelines for player stats:
I decided to make the base stats to add up to 240, except for ogre, which is a little lower as a result of the extremely high str/health. In particular, I weighed the stats as follows: start with 40, if you add 10 points, it costs 10 "cps", if you add 20, to get 60, it costs 30 "cps", if you have 70 base stat, it costs 60 "cps".
Here are some race ideas:
S A I W H C
Human 40 40 40 40 40 40
100 100 100 100 100 100
Dwarf 50 30 30 60 50 20
110 90 90 120 110 80
Kang 60 30 30 50 50 20
120 90 90 110 110 80
Orc 50 40 30 40 60 20
110 100 90 100 120 80
Elf 30 50 50 30 20 60
90 110 110 90 80 120
Ogre 70 20 20 20 70 20
150 60 70 70 150 60
Nekojin 40 60 40 20 30 50
100 130 100 80 80 110
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Im tired, gonna post some more races up later.
I do like the idea. But ..
If you think about starting a new character...right now its like choose your race then choose your class..fairly straight forward, would we change the options to be choose your mommy, choose your daddy, choose your class?
There is an option, which was the first thing I thought of...to allow mixed races, but only as the spawn of Player characters.
Anywho thats just details, we would probably be better served coming up how stats should work. I'd personally prefer to coming up with stats and abilities for each mixture rather than having it automated, that would mean removing the current half races, or at least renaming them.(like you already seem to have done, half-elves could simply be renamed to grey elves, and have a new history written for them).
As for changes in coding I can't see this being too overly difficult, one option would just to have a gamete 1, gamete 2 ability listed with each race, so that to be a human, you'd have gamete 1 1, gamete 2 1, to be an elf you'd have gamete 1 4, gamete 2 4, and to be a half-elf either gamete 1 1, gamete 2 4 or gamete 1 4, gamete 2 1.
First I'd like to work out the naming convientions, or just pick names for all the possible hybrid races.
I like the idea. Perhaps we could implement something along the lines of, say you picked a hog as yer daddy and a halfling as yer momma. You won't want the char to have 150 str AND 150 agil.... Well ok, YOU would, but we wouldn't heh...
Perhaps something along these lines though. Since your mixing types, you don't get the full amount of any of them. Take the hog/halfling example. Hog str maxes at 150, halfling at 60. That's 90 points difference. Take half of that, or 45, add it to the max of the weaker race, and your hogling can have 105 strength and 105 agility. Perhaps on the strongest stats per race you get less than half, maybe 1/3. That still gives your hogling 90 str and 90 agility.
I was thinking of something more like an average of the two stats.
I am in total agreement with that, DC. An avg would be the fairest way to do it. I really like this idea and feel it should be implemented.
In every situation in gaming there is always a balance. You give something to get something.
Example: You pick a Hogre for the strength and health, but you will lack in crits, and many other areas due to low stats.
If the whole idea to blending the races is to achieve a more perfect character there should be a point to going blended, versus pure. There should be both a benefit AND a draw back, other wise we are not just creating blended characters, we are, in effect, redoing all the races with the intention of deleting the old ones.
Thoughts?
-DR
You could work it in as a reroll option rather then just a pick a father/mother thing... I.e. last race you had plus a new pick. Then perhaps have a small bonus for doing so like rather then 10% you keep 15% exp. You take an avg stats and perhaps random skills from the two and then in the long run it would then add to realm diversity and replay value.
Quote from: DeathCow on Oct 01, 2009, 06:57 PM
I was thinking of something more like an average of the two stats.
I said in the first post, your stats would get the average of the 2 parents. So if you choose ogre/halfling, your stats would be averaged. The issue that needs to be addressed are how the abilities are distributed. An easy way would be your abilities/exp+ go according to the mother. So you will just get the abilities of one parent and your exp% will come from same race.
Umm... isn't 105 the average if 60 is the low end and 150 is the top end? :) (60+150)/2=105 last time I looked
Quote from: Gardner Denver on Oct 06, 2009, 02:13 AM
Umm... isn't 105 the average if 60 is the low end and 150 is the top end? :) (60+150)/2=105 last time I looked
yeah, if you stuck ogre+halfling, youd get something with max 105 str, which is very reasonable.
Back to race drawing board:
S A I W H C
Human 40 40 40 40 40 40
100 100 100 100 100 100
Dwarf 50 30 30 60 50 20
110 90 90 120 110 80
Kang 60 30 30 50 50 20
120 90 90 110 110 80
Orc 50 40 30 40 60 20
110 100 90 100 120 80
Elf 30 50 50 30 20 60
90 110 110 90 80 120
Ogre 70 20 20 20 70 20
150 60 70 70 150 70
Nekojin 40 60 40 20 30 50
100 130 100 80 80 110
Gaunt 40 50 60 40 20 30
100 110 130 100 70 90
Halfling 20 70 20 40 40 40
60 150 90 100 100 90
Gnome 30 50 40 40 50 30
90 110 110 100 100 90
Goblin 20 60 50 40 40 30
70 130 110 100 100 90
Any other suggestions for races?
So here are some examples of mistures:
Neko-Ogre 55 40 30 20 50 35
125 95 85 75 115 90
Perhaps a little over powered, but not much different from a Kang/Horc.
Not to put a spanner in any of this but it might be interesting to look at it at from a multi-generational POV where some first generation mixes might not work or be detrimental but pay off in the long run. Or perhaps even genetically where you might have a 1:4 to 1:2 to 1 chance of landing a particular ability trait or even further odds landing a trait combination.
Lets say for stats your dealing with the difference + or - the two parents with the avg stat being set at 50...
In this a halfling might gen for say str when bred with a human a number averaging the two differences valued as the differences between the accepted norms (50)... -30 + - 10 = -40 + 50 = 10/2 and would get a random of +1 to +5 in str.
This is a little less exacting then using a just the two parents avg. stats. However allows for a much greater range of produced outcomes.
And further still for an ability on/off and the variable range (the difference on avg based on 0 this time) between the two parents ability amount.
for example you might have a race with say stealth bred to a race with out and end up with a bonus to stealth yet not have stealth itself. Or a bonus to mana or any other stat.. I could get into breding out the fire resistance of a necko or adding to night-vision. However I'm sure it's fairly easy to spot how changes could occur to base races.
There's allot more that can be done with this that I don't see really being looked at. Just to open up some some similar path ideas...
I wanted to bring this old topic back up, since I think developing it would really add alot to the favor of gmud, even if i dont play anymore.
I had an old post on here that could be added into the idea:
http://www.greatermud.com/forums/index.php?topic=244.0;all
It basically stated by the end of the topic that each race could be of a nation or kingdom and have slight variances in traits such as the differences between types of dwarfs or types of elves in a manner like D&D treats their races.
One could then place in the game a method of partnering with a PC or NPC of a race type and nationality with the produced child races produced showing up on the character creation screen when rerolling.
Another option would be to allow the user to use the child character as a dupe where before entering the realm they would reach a character selection screen. And be able to play one character at a time. And would allow the player to experience the game from a generational POV.