I was thinking..
I think it would be a good idea to make the item drop pvp hang penalty only happen if both parties are engaged in pvp. I don't like the idea of someone engaging someone's script just to get a couple random items drops, hoping for a lim. It makes sense to me that you would drop items if you were in the middle of pvp, and pansied out and hung. Essentially the way it is now, someone who doesnt care about ep's could steal your whole suit if they just come engage pvp a bunch of times.
Also, if you are a character that has low str, and need to stay light encumbrance, you cant afford to carry a bunch of extra items in your inventory, to lessen the chance of your good items from dropping. That gives someone who is a HOG or HORC or something an advantage that shouldn't be there.
What does anyone else think?
I think it's fine how it is.
I'm a halfling too.
Lazarus, this is a bad idea. There needs to be a penalty for hanging up instead of dealing with the PVP and a reward for the person who takes evil points to attack you, if you're just going to hangup because of it.
The current problems with low strength races are a content issue, not a pvp hangup issue. Of course, the one does exacerbate the other.
I can see Lazarus point here. I'm not 100% convinced that item drops for HOS is a good thing. I do however think that if the item drop is removed in HOS situations, then the EPs earned by the attacker should be voided as well.
If you dont want to die or lose items, then go sit in the bank, scripting is a privilege, not a right. Carrying extra items to avoid losing something of value is just a work around, its PVP, deal with it.
Quote from: twogirlz on Oct 09, 2010, 03:25 AM
If you dont want to die or lose items, then go sit in the bank, scripting is a privilege, not a right. Carrying extra items to avoid losing something of value is just a work around, its PVP, deal with it.
The entire game is built around scripting. Not only that, but the game is totally reliant on one single abandonware terminal because the game is built around scripting.
The benefit you recieve for hanging people's script under Lazarus's idea is clear-- you are preventing them from advancing. The length of this prevention depends on your willingness to hang around and make sure that person can't afk script. If you want their items, there's a pretty simple solution--Bring enough firepower to kill them before they can hang, or kill them at keys.
Giving people free items for simply showing up and engaging a scripter just doesn't make sense whatsoever. Lazarus's idea has some definite merit.
Quote from: twogirlz on Oct 09, 2010, 03:25 AM
its PVP, deal with it.
But this is NOT pvp. This is PVScript. BIG Difference.
Coming and hanging someone script just to get a quick item drop is a cowardly thing to do. You should not be rewarded for it like that. Keeping them from gaining exp should be reward enough.
I am all for item drops when both parties are involved in the pvp and one of them hangs to avoid dying. There SHOULD be some compensation for someone taking the sissy way out.
What about an exception to both parties involved rule. What if you could make a script item drop on hangup if you successfully inflicted more than 50% damage to their health before they hung (not including the hang penalty). I could see getting a reward for that.
My beef is someone going and engaging combat, just to get some items. But if someone is actually able to deal some real damage but unable to finish them off since they hang, more power to them.
If you dont want to drop items set up your mega better. run then hang or fight or don't script if I waste the ep's to engage on you I should be rewarded somehow. also there is a non pvp board here too.
Quote from: Lazarus on Oct 09, 2010, 10:46 AM
But this is NOT pvp. This is PVScript. BIG Difference.
I will reiterate.... If you dont want someone to kill your script then stay at keyboard, or go to the bank, ITS PVP, people can kill whoever they want and your script is you, if you dont like it, make a better script, or pay someone to do it, donate to Merlin. Baby sit your script if you dont want to get hung, or group a lot of ppl and retalliate, there are so many options, perhaps go play in carebear realm.
Lol, if it was up to me, there would be a 2 minute delay from when you hang up and when you log out of mud, then its fair game for everyone. Who needs hang penalties then?
This is not something that should even be debatable, scripting is optional, using megamud is optional, and even if you do use it you can RUN BEFORE HANGUP. Hoe much softer do you want it, oh i didnt attack back ooo, that can be exploited when your at the keys. The hang penalty is adjustable, well in reg mud you can just make it 0-1 item or something.
The person that trecks and finds your script and gets evil points should be rewarded for that time hand playing. It is just how much you reward it, you think its normally so easy to find someone when exp is not tracked? I am not sure why that is still even on, so lets have no hang pen for scripting but lets leave exp tracking on?
I do thnk that weapons should be immune that are equiped.
I agree with this Idea, I also think the HP Hang Penalty should stay in tact. so you don't drop items but you do drop hps. If you disagree then maybe it should be you drop 1 EQ'd Item always and then whats in your inventory is dropped based on rank of value. If you have a lim in your inventory you have 1 in 4 chance of dropping it if you have a glass mirror in your inventory you have a 1 in 100 chance of dropping it.
Why is this even being discussed?
Why do non-pvpers or sitting in bank Girls that worry about text game items are now crying here about pvp hang pents?
Want to gain exp on pvp mud take a chance of getting pvped while afk scripting, we all take that risk. If don't want too Go to Sissy Realm..won't miss yea..
I Agreed with 2girls or an old Tupac post once u hang in pvp 100% death.
All safe rooms need to go or have a timer were u get teleported to known Unsafe rooms, a max 4 at random. After so many mins like 10.
And if you run to safe room during pvp the pvp retaliation time pauses.
On a different Note: Lets have a PVP- T-ment Still even with the known Bugs
Quote from: Gardner Denver on Oct 09, 2010, 02:20 AM
I do however think that if the item drop is removed in HOS situations, then the EPs earned by the attacker should be voided as well.
I agree with this.
I think that if you sit in the bank for 24 hours you should start randomly dropping items from fatigue.
In response to the idea floated in this post - you're a carebear, go play carebear realm. If you think playing MUD is scripting 24/7 with your pimp items, then you have a very different idea of how the game should be played than I do. Just because some people don't have time to be at keys as much as they would like to, shouldn't be a reason to bring in rules which will just make the game more stale and boring for the everyone else. When item drop was introduced last push the level of PVP increased - this is a GOOD thing. Now you can say "PvP" and "PvScript" but it is a false dichotomy. Everyone scripts and you will invariably hit someones "script" when you want to kill them because the chances of both of you being at keys at the same time is limited - it is just what PVP is these days, get used to it. I love it when your enemy is actually at keys - possibly the greatest thing that can happen, which is why I laugh when they run to the bank!?
The circulation of items is a good thing. Surely you thought it was a good thing when you raided our ganghouse while the board was bugged and flushed all the items we had in the vault?
Actually - having said that, why are we even listening to a douchebag like you? You have zero credibility. Go f@$k yourself.
Quote from: Fuxsiloh on Oct 10, 2010, 02:58 AM
Actually - having said that, why are we even listening to a douchebag like you? You have zero credibility. Go f@$k yourself.
You secretly love me.
Quote from: Lazarus on Oct 10, 2010, 03:15 AM
You secretly love me.
At least he not denying that he did the raiding
Keep it on topic please gentlemen... This isn't about the poster, it's about the idea posted.
Well, I haven't seen much debate to the contrary of my idea, other than how much of a sissy carebear I am, and that I should quit the realm.
I do think Schwagg has a good point however. If your objective really is to kill someone who is afk scripting (especially if you know they HOS of you), you should bring more firepower to try to kill them. I think I made a good suggestion that if you are unsuccessful in your attempt, but are able to take more than their total hp, you should get an item drop for your attempt.
Let me re-iterate what I've said before. I'm not opposed to the item drops. I think its a good thing. However, I do think it needs to be modified. I feel the reward of keeping someone from afk scripting by hanging their script for a length of time, along with the HP hang penalty, is reward enough, if you aren't able to take at least half the person's total hp.
The benefit of this suggestion is that it will prevent a user from getting equipment from another user that they did not earn. I support pvp. I support script hanging. I do not support getting free items for not putting effort into it.
I do like Gardner's suggestion that you should not get EP's if the person hangs before you even get a swing off.
I believe there is a healthy balance that can be made. But, I don't think the game in its current state is there yet.
Hello! This is for a PVP Realm
No EP's before a swing is great.
Safe rooms should be taken out, and Halls of the Dead should be one way
Bank should not be a safe room, great place for evils to snag a kill
Hang penalty should be upped, with no item drops:
50% of your total hps when engaged by someone
10% of your total hps when not. <-- For people with lag spike problems, you can't blame pvp death on lag in the first place, so quit whining. Enter when your provider has cleared its lag. As far as board side lag, 10% is low enough to deal with. If it's persistent board lag, you are just running another risk of AFK scripting.
An alternative to the 10% thing is 0% hangup penalty when not engaged, but your character stays in realm for 6 rounds (or 30 seconds). When you relog AND enter before the six rounds, your ghost hangs up and it's really you logging in. So if you have lag problems, you know your best bet is to stay out of the Realm until it's over.
There are two advantages that come out of this (alternate) setup. It's better not to hang on sight, because someone has 6 rounds to demolish you. If you are in the middle of PVP, you can make a tactical decision to hang up if you're in combat, so if you're getting bullied by a higher level, the guy doesn't have free reign to wax you over and over. It also promotes staying in the Realm to fight it out rather than hangup (because 50% is pricey). With this setup I think tanks should get 1-2 more hp min/max per level, including warlocks
Also, if you hangup mortally wounded, you should be dead.
Quote from: Lazarus on Oct 10, 2010, 02:47 PM
I do think Schwagg has a good point however. If your objective really is to kill someone who is afk scripting (especially if you know they HOS of you), you should bring more firepower to try to kill them. I think I made a good suggestion that if you are unsuccessful in your attempt, but are able to take more than their total hp, you should get an item drop for your attempt.
No the objective is to get the items you have and if you?re not at keys so be it. It is your choice to go afk, your taking that risk on a pvp realm.
If your referring to Schwagg, he thinks the main goal of mud is ONLY EXP, in a PVE Realm that is dead on. Not, in a PVP realms, were you will see people roll themselves just to get into more PvP action. Getting Exp is like 2girls and thergs said "scripting is a privilege, not a right."
Quote from: Lazarus on Oct 10, 2010, 02:47 PM
Let me re-iterate what I've said before. I'm not opposed to the item drops. I think its a good thing. However, I do think it needs to be modified. I feel the reward of keeping someone from afk scripting by hanging their script for a length of time, along with the HP hang penalty, is reward enough, if you aren't able to take at least half the person's total hp.
No,
That is just again you thinking AFK scripting is a RIGHT. If your only thoughts and goal in mud is getting the most EXP then yea play on PVE(SISSY REALM) mud. Furthermore if your So Scared of losing Items then sell them, trade them or flush them.
Quote from: Lazarus on Oct 10, 2010, 02:47 PM
The benefit of this suggestion is that it will prevent a user from getting equipment from another user that they did not earn. I support pvp. I support script hanging. I do not support getting free items for not putting effort into it.
Quote from: Lazarus on Oct 10, 2010, 02:47 PM
I do like Gardner's suggestion that you should not get EP's if the person hangs before you even get a swing off.
THEY did So EARN it if they Caused you and have your Megamud setup to hang on a pvp attack. The penalties are there to keep you at keys or like others keep saying set your megamud better. If you don't have megamud set up right a AFK scripter is pudding in a pvper (at keys) hands, which you have already witness your self.
Therefore if someone is at keys and they go out of their way to find your script (you at keys or not) and try to get around your megamud safeties and attack you and take the EP's and you hang they EARNED the items or your DP.
Quote from: Lazarus on Oct 10, 2010, 02:47 PM
Well, I haven't seen much debate to the contrary of my idea, other than how much of a sissy carebear I am, and that I should quit the realm.
Over all you come across as worried about your ITEMS that may or may not drop when you have your Megamud setup to hang on pvp. If you don?t like the way it is setup now. Well yea all those things don't happen in the Sissy realm. So I would think you be much more happier there.
As far as changing the hang penalties there should be more items you drop like 3 or 4, Or a higher chance of a limited on you to drop at 70%.
I would think if you were to purchase Gmud When it Ever gets that far. There will be all these options for the Mud-op to setup their pvp-penalties- or not penalties how they see fit. I would hope the more options the better so your suggestions should go to the options part of hang penalties.
I agree with lazarus to an extent, whether it be drops changed or people sitting in safe rooms changed something needs to happen. I see at least 10-15 people on this realm that do nothing but sit in safe rooms and hit scripts, they only leave those safe rooms to hit scripts, most of us here are adults and have families and jobs to tend to so being at keys is not always an option, i am in no way opposed to being killed that is why i play a pvp realm but it is discouraging losing decent items to someone whom rarely leaves a safe room. If people can sit in safe rooms and wait for afk opportunities to hit my script and get items i would like that same opportunity while i am at keys.
Quote from: Cecil on Oct 12, 2010, 03:53 PM
I agree with lazarus to an extent, whether it be drops changed or people sitting in safe rooms changed something needs to happen. I see at least 10-15 people on this realm that do nothing but sit in safe rooms and hit scripts, they only leave those safe rooms to hit scripts, most of us here are adults and have families and jobs to tend to so being at keys is not always an option, i am in no way opposed to being killed that is why i play a pvp realm but it is discouraging losing decent items to someone whom rarely leaves a safe room. If people can sit in safe rooms and wait for afk opportunities to hit my script and get items i would like that same opportunity while i am at keys.
I can see your point as too not being able to get back at Save room sitters. But then they would do other means of hiding in tomb, halls gh, gh vault or just log off. Over all you just got to have megamud set up better and hope it don't messup.
Maybe once Vitoc gets back he can do something about safe room, I still like a 30 min auto-matic tel-port to up to 4 unsafe rooms. Near Silvermere, and we would all know the 4-or 2 unsafe rooms. So yea I can see people camping them if they can.
Quote from: Excarkun on Oct 10, 2010, 06:46 PM
No the objective is to get the items you have and if you?re not at keys so be it. It is your choice to go afk, your taking that risk on a pvp realm.
If your referring to Schwagg, he thinks the main goal of mud is ONLY EXP, in a PVE Realm that is dead on.
I think you're an idiot.
I 2nd the idiot comment
Let's keep the conversation related to the topic not the people responding please.
I am highly opposed to Lazarus' idea. I have one of the most decked out Rangers on the pvp board and it makes no sense that if I HoS, my enemies will never have a shot at any of my stuff.
Lazarus' proposal would make item hoarding even worse than it is now. At least now you have to make the choice of whether to script or protect your items, if you implement no item drops unless both players have combat-engaged people will just script 24/7 and HoS with no fear of losing their 'l33t gear'.
Frankly, I think item drops for hanging should be set at 2 for a non-pvp hang (to avoid 'tracks hanging') and 3+ for a pvp hang.
The entire point of a PVP realm is item turnover -- you want to keep your gear go play non-pvp.
Finally, I am fully in support of no safe rooms for the pvp realm ... I think this would address Lazarus' point of being unable to attack script-killers who hide in safe rooms more so than removing item drops.
This game is NOT about gear, people have such personal attachments to their text-based accoutrement it's nauseating.
Quote from: Prescience on Oct 13, 2010, 08:09 AM
I am highly opposed to Lazarus' idea. I have one of the most decked out Rangers on the pvp board and it makes no sense that if I HoS, my enemies will never have a shot at any of my stuff.
Lazarus' proposal would make item hoarding even worse than it is now. At least now you have to make the choice of whether to script or protect your items, if you implement no item drops unless both players have combat-engaged people will just script 24/7 and HoS with no fear of losing their 'l33t gear'.
Frankly, I think item drops for hanging should be set at 2 for a non-pvp hang (to avoid 'tracks hanging') and 3+ for a pvp hang.
The entire point of a PVP realm is item turnover -- you want to keep your gear go play non-pvp.
Finally, I am fully in support of no safe rooms for the pvp realm ... I think this would address Lazarus' point of being unable to attack script-killers who hide in safe rooms more so than removing item drops.
This game is NOT about gear, people have such personal attachments to their text-based accoutrement it's nauseating.
I absolutely agree, while it does suck to lose items, this keeps the item circulation moving, you can lock down your megamud pretty damn tight to prevent a lot of this. There are much bigger issues going on right now than items dropping, that i would like to see the devs working on.
Quote from: Gardner Denver on Oct 09, 2010, 02:20 AM
I can see Lazarus point here. I'm not 100% convinced that item drops for HOS is a good thing. I do however think that if the item drop is removed in HOS situations, then the EPs earned by the attacker should be voided as well.
I totally agree with this - it really sucks for the characters that have to go out and find magic weapons just to lose it when some doucher hits your script, because we all know its always the good shit that drops O0
All I am reading in this topic is,
"I don't know how to configure megamud above/beyond the defaults to make my guy safer scripting"
I would look into msg responses, events and playing particular classes/races with abilities which may help you stay safer, ie; gaunt.